A two-time Hambidge fellow, her poems have appeared in such publications as Little Star, Prairie Schooner, december, American Life in Poetry andVerse Daily. The collections final poem, An Old Story, also feels faintly Biblical. Similarly, Theatrical Improvisation draws on the voices of immigrants as well as those who targeted them in the months before and after the 2016 Presidential election. You were appointed Poet Laureate in 2017, after Trump was inaugurated. Selected by Naomi Shihab Nye. I'd squint into it, or close my eyes WASHINGTON SQUARE: Im intrigued by the extent to which youve referred to this poem as an autonomous entity: it seems to be voiced, what I read as fear or hesitation. Are there some poems that seem more or less transparent to you, more or less within your understanding and control, than others?SMITH: Oh, sure. K Smith. But even, it seemed to answer some of the questions that come up when we talk about this racial divide. Not just me, not just people who are fresh out of whatever you do in the first years after graduate school into adulthood, thinking that Ill be happy if I can almost afford the things that I want, if I can somehow find a way to buy what life seems to offer to other people. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Thats fascinating! Price and value, Smith reminds us, are not the same thing.In a recent lecture published by the Washington Post, she calls poetry a radically re-humanizing force, one that comes closest to bringing us into visceral proximity with the lives and plights of others. She contrasts it with the market-driven language that divides everything into a brutal war of all against all and debilitates our minds: I also, more and more, recognize its value as a remedy to the various things that have bombarded our lines of sight and our thought space, and that tamper with our ability or even our desire to listen to that deeply rooted part of ourselves. But before we get to the analysis, lets briefly summarise the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. On the sixth day of Creation, God created man in the form of Adam, moulding him from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7), breathing the breath of life into Adams nostrils. For One of the women greeted me.I love you, she said. The narrow untouched hips. WASHINGTON SQUARE: In Ordinary Light you recall your first poem, written in grade school and titled Humor. These days much of your work deals with weighty topics, though youve said in other interviews that writing often feels joyful. and settlement here. I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. Capitalism, Fisher intones, is what is left when beliefs have collapsed at the level of ritual or symbolic elaboration, and all that is left is the consumer-spectator, trudging through the ruins and the relics.Is there any alternative to the morose conviction that nothing new can ever happen (Fisher again)? Its actually the last poem in your book. Curtis Fox: This is Poetry Off The Shelf from The Poetry Foundation. But the point of material restitution isnt to create new hoards of capital or to employ it in fresh exploitative ventures; rather, the money these people are owed for their service to what was once a Republic is a form of human acknowledgement, a way of saying that their lives mattered. Tracy K. Smith, I hope your poem is a prophecy. SMITH: I think the aim of most poems is to erase some measure of the distance between one person and another, usually between the poems speaker and its reader, or between the poems speaker and its subject. WebSummary Semi-Splendid by Tracy K. Smith explores an argument from two perspectives.Both perspectives come from Smith, yet one is from a nice perspective, in which the poet typically just allows her boyfriend to win the argument, and the other perspective focuses on this moment, in which she stands up for herself and begins to The opening poems of Wade in the Water seem to locate the divine in the worldly, sometimes to humorous effect: God drives around in a jeep, and the Garden of Eden turns out to be a grocery store. Then animals long believed gone crept down. One of the closing lines is an eerie warning: its global. The worlds first great carbon empire, the United States, is committing suicide, but at least some people are getting richer.The books center is I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. This long poem, divided into sections based on different voices, consists of material Smith culled from the letters of black Civil War veterans and their wives, children, siblings, and widows, many of whom wrote to President Lincoln asking for financial assistance, in many cases pay that was owed them. Everyone hunkers down alone with their stuff, just as capitalism wants it.Two vicious features of the system, which Im hardly the first to note, are its enforcement of rigid hierarchies (think about the racial pay gap, for example) and its wholesale razing of the biospheric life-support systems that allow civilization to exist in the first place. And as many have observed since capitalism emerged (see William Blakes Satanic mills or Upton Sinclairs meatpacking plants), this tends to have baleful effects on how we conceive of social relationships and our own selves. Capitalism has made a nightmare world, and we can either resist its pressures or chill with our smartphones and wait for climate change to kill us.Along comes Tracy K. Smiths new book, Wade in the Water (Graywolf). rife with music, rhyme, and repetition. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Falmouth, Massachusetts, in 1972, and raised in Fairfield, California. The theme music for this program comes from the Claudia Quintent. Its also the title of a poem in the books first section, and it reverberates in images of water throughout the collectionin the poems Watershed and The Everlasting Self, for example. Curtis Fox: Dr Hayden from the Library of Congress, right? In a quiet way, I am editing from the moment I begin writing, pushing myself to think more rigorously and vigorously and to live up to the model of discipline and courage that I encourage my students to embrace.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve written four poetry collections; when you started writing, you were a student, and now youre a teachernot to mention the nations Poet Laureate. I thought of to bear witness, as the book itself does, but I also thought to bear unspeakable suffering. Tracy K. Smiths unforgettable poem from Wade in the Water feels so potent right now. Poet Laureate Tracy K. Smith (1972-), listen to her read it here. Maybe I am asking my new poems to remind me that I am one of those people, that America is one of those people. WebTracy K. Smith begins her poem The Good Life with a subordinate clause: Whenpeople talk (Line 1). Theyre intimate spaces where we can really stop and say, okay, heres a poem by this American poet whos voice I think is so important, what do you hear within it? This would be a democratic project: a writer who takes it on would have to imagine a community where individuals arent just monads bouncing around the economy but are instead subjects whose lives matter regardless of how much or little capital is attached to them. My thirties.Everyone I knew was livingThe same desolate luxury,Each ashamed of the same things:Innocence and privacy. After all, it supposedly makes nothing happen, according to Auden (indeed, imagine a poem changing President Trumps mind on immigration), and it is the literary form for which capitalism has the least use, judging by its small contemporary readership.But poetry that tries to represent individual subjectivity is well positioned to depict life under capitalism and to render possible post- or anti-capitalist alternatives. Take it easy. If we are moving through Time, I suspect Time is moving, too, though who knows where it is heading? I think the title, which came after Id finished the poem, enlarged the initial scope of the poem. The store is called Garden Of Eden, so almost accidentally it aligns itself with those poems that are thinking back to those biblical stories. Life on Mars is pointed into the future as a way of reckoning with all of that, while Wade in the Water takes up history in a similar effort. In Garden of Eden, the first poem in the collection, Smith remembers shopping at a grocery store in Brooklyn that was actually called the Garden of How did the book come together and find its shape? Do these various modes of working with existing text feel similar to each other? Moreover, my sense of the nearness of the pastthe way that our public grappling with race and racial prejudice has begun to feel so much like a throwback from an earlier timeignited the urgent wish to hear something in an earlier periods voices that might be useful at this moment in the 21st Century.The title Wade in the Water comes from an African American spiritual, which seems apt for a collection that thinks so much about faith, race, and history (especially the Civil War), and for a poet whose previous book took its name from a song, too. Hi Tracy, thanks for coming on the podcast. Like a lot. Smith mingles these themes in The World is Your Beautiful Younger Sister, where the body of a woman stands in for the planet itself; Smith plays on old Western conceptions of nature as a female resource to be commanded by men and their technologies. Ive been sharing work by other American poets, and readings of my own poems as well, and just asking a very simple question, which is, what do you notice? I didnt set out to write a found poem, but when I got far enough into that research, I understood that I didnt want to merely metabolize all of these other real voices and then speak something imagined or invented out in my own voice; rather, I wanted to make space for these very compelling voices to speak to a reader the ways they had spoken to me. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration Tracy K. Smith: I think about the incredible systematic and orderly attempts to negate black life throughout the history of this country, and then I think about the voices and the contributions to democracy that Blacks have offered, and those two things speak really powerfully to each other. Im Curtis Fox. And I remember, I was sitting reading this document, and suddenly I got to the region where all of these complaints against England were being raised, and I felt that they were speaking so clearly to the history of black life in this country, and suddenly everything else that I was working on, that I thought I wanted to gather around the idea of Jefferson, just went away. He put the two of them in a garden where they did not have to provide for themselves. I had been powerfully compelled and disturbed by a Nathaniel Rich article about chemical pollution that appeared in the New York Times Magazine in January 2016. How does Political Poem complement and converse with the books more overtly, explicitly political poems? I just feel that sometimes they strive more to be abstract rather than deliver a coherent message. In my earlier work, persona poems have been a tool by which Ive sought to learn something about some other experience or perspective that is remote from my own. Livid, the land, and ravaged, like a rageful, Would survive ushow little we had mended, Large and old awoke. Curtis Fox: I want to get you to read one more poem. The Garden of Eden is a semiautobiographical account based on Hemingways honeymoon with his second wife, Pauline Pfeiffer, in May, 1927, at Le Grau-du-Roi, a fishing village in the Carmargue, on the Mediterranean coast of France. Parenting is such an intimate experience, but we have all been parented and many of us have struggled through these moments when our childrens voices trumpeting their separate identities are both miracle and monumental challenge. I had the same problem choosing my poet. Many of the poems focus on history, whether spiritual or political. Her book,Life on Mars(2011), won the Pulitzer Prize for Poetry. Curtis Fox: Being Poet Laureate is obviously an honor, but have you enjoyed it? But translating is a different thing altogether. Email us at [emailprotected], or write a review in Apple Podcasts, and please link to this episode on social media. This is such a gift, to be able to visit different parts of the country and spend time with people in different communities, and listen to each other, and talk to each other, and think about what poetry already means to people there, and get their feedback on poems that might be new to them. Due to the insinuation that this is an expensive shop, she reminisces of being in her thirties and seeing the The glossy pastries! and the Pomegranate, persimmon, [and] quince! sold there. For Smith, this is a lavish shop that seems to be selling a very specific selection of goods. The couplet looped in my head for weeks, and when I finally resorted to Google, I learned it was from Smiths first collection, The Bodys Question.I borrowed her books from the library and found them full of lines like the ones that had hooked me. Consider, that is, the languages and practices we have developed to exist within Western consumer markets. At the time, I wasnt writing many poems; I was working on my prose memoir, and feeling, somewhat guiltily, that it might be a good idea to take the opportunity to produce a new poem. Wade in the Water (Graywolf Press, 2018) was her fourth collection of poems. All of these fruits hold positive or affectionate connotations to their names, something she likely wished for after therapy (she earlier states she typically shops here almost exclusively after therapy). What are you really getting at there? SMITH: I think of my four books of poems in similar terms: The Bodys Question feels to me like a coming-of-age story. Tracy K. Smith has her head in the stars. It was so strange. Its not quite music, but the construction of these two parallel statements operated in a fashion similar to rhyme for me.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve said that writing your memoir Ordinary Light helped you work through your own thinking about race. Tracy K. Smith: Well, I thought that this conversation about how incapable we as a nation are of having a conversation across political difference or racial difference, that motivated me to think about how poetry might be a kind of bridge. Tracy K. Smith begins her poem The Good Life with a subordinate clause: Whenpeople talk (Line 1). The first line introduces the readers to both the casual toneof the poem and draws them in to the discussion with which the poem is concerned, prompting them to read the next line in order to answer the question implicitly posed in the first. 83 pp.Reviewed by Susanna Lang. My found poems behave differently, but those possibilities were somewhere in my mind as I worked. Tracy K. Smith: Well, I guess I was really thinking about the moment when our desire to be public people became such a ravenous appetite. Smith received the 2012 Pulitzer Prize in poetry for her third book of poems, Life on Mars (Graywolf Press, 2011). She was named Poet Laureate of the United States in June 2017 and reappointed to the post for a second term last spring. And I love how Wright allows the text of her various speakers to become a kind of chorus. Purchasing food, however, leaves the speaker anxious: It was Brooklyn. On Montague Street Also, one of the strangest I think, because the role of the Poet Laureate is largely defined by the poet occupying that perch. The analysis was to consist of identifying poetic devices and explaining how and why Tracy K. Smith used them. The Universe: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack. I wanted to draw-in the sense of the living spirit at the heart of that nights encounter, and at the heart of the tradition of the ring shout itself: the sense of love and deliverance, of faith and compassion, of justice and survival.Watershed was a poem I knew I wanted to write. His arms churn the air. It was no longer important or necessary, and I wanted to just listen to these fragments within this founding document, and feel the sort of startled andI dont know, just a sense of inevitability that those statements kind of gathered around themselves. A friend recently emailed it to me, even though I hadnt read the book yet. Consider the everyday poetics of capitalism. She joins me now from Princeton University, where she teaches creative writing. From short lyrics to erasures to sectioned, multi-form elegies, all of Smiths work feels radically alivetraversing space and time; rife with cultural and historical references (to, for example, rock music; scientific research; classic movie scenes); and always illuminating with great care the complexities of consciousness and embodiment. Curtis Fox: Now you hinted at it, but its an erasure poem. / The wood was never spent. In Wade in the Water, the first section of Eternity begins It is as if I can almost still remember and closes with trees Ageless, constant, / Growing down into earth and up into history. Any thoughts on the challenges and possibilities of processing (or traversing) time through language? Tracy K. Smith: Mhmm, yeah. Its about letting the unconscious mind into the process of problem-solving. In October, Graywolf Press will Jill: That's a really cool origin story. Copyright 2018 by Tracy K. Smith. Poems, like movies, are good at indulging this wish. Would you read it for us? Susanna Langs newest collection of poems,Travel Notes from the River Styx,was released in summer 2017 from Terrapin Books. And then our singing. A sense of regret that I hadnt perhaps actively articulated to myself found a way into the poem. sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our, In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for. What about you? What a profound longing Can I get you to read An Old Story? It teases us; it helps us sometimes, so that what is happening now feels like it has already occurred once before; it bridles adults and happily submits to being largely ignored by children. WebAnalyzes tracy k. smith's "life on mars" as an elegy as a whole with many poems pertaining to death and s struggle with the loss of her father. Smith works like a novelist, curating the national tongue. But I truly hope its more than that. I chose the title Watershed even before the poem itself had been written. Curtis Fox: Its one of the curiosities of your book, that to grapple with this dawning century you go back into history with poems in the voices of the enslaved and powerless, and you also make interesting use of the Declaration of Independence. In a 2016 interview for The Iowa Review, you commented, I never have figured out how to talk about race in my poetry in a way that feels authentic and organic, and Ordinary Light is a book in which Im thinking so much about race. Wade in the Water seems to engage this topic compellingly and with great assurance. Incidentally, the only other poem in the book whose title was chosen well in advance of the poems composition was Eternity. I knew that I wanted to write a poem that invoked a never-ending sense of scale. Its been great. WebThe story Garden of Eden introduces the first man and woman that God created. Smith: That's the only dream like that that I've had. I'm glad you were able to find something to connect with! Over her career, she has published a memoir and four books of poetry, including But that isnt enough, and so I am also listening for clues in the sounds of what I have already said that might help me determine what to say next. And in this awful year, thats something worth giving thanks for. Jesus also loved the foolish, the pushy, the stubborn, the fickle. I see it as my job to draw these things out, and offer the kinds of questions and observations that will help students move further into their strengths as writers, and to follow them toward an organic and genuine sense of their own deepening themes and questions. I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. The first line introduces the readers to both the casual Or how you can sometimes see the humor in your own dire or embarrassing situation, and how that can be both frustrating and something you file away under Things that Will Be Funny in the Future. The glossy Once, a bag of black beluga Her translations of poetry by Yves Bonnefoy include Words in Stone and The Origin of Language. Its not that I dont like it because Ew, poetry, but rather because I just dont understand a majority of it. 4 (September 2018), RHINO Reviews Vol. How do imaginative play and perhaps even humor figure in your process and your poetry right now? Not the liberal version, where everything naturally progresses toward a better reality, but something more ambiguous and fragile. I watch him bob across the intersection,Squat legs bowed in black sweatpants. My thirties. I think it has to do with the joy of losing oneself in something, which is what happens when a poem is really going somewhere. Dang, you hear those birds? Im listening for possibilities in meaning and emotional tone, and trying to make useful formal decisions, in a way that is more similar than different to what happens when I am writing. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Speaking a few years ago with Gregory Pardlo, you mentioned that music, image, form and departure are the things Im conscious of managing in a poem. Can you say a little more about balancing these qualitiesand, perhaps, how you know when one or two of them want to predominate? From a handbasket filled SMITH: For I Will Tell You the Truth About This I went in search of information about African American soldiers experience in the Civil War. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration. Its refreshing to hear from a Poet Laureate who holds all of these diverse concerns in her mind and in her voice, from our national tragedy to a four-year-olds refusal to eat her dinner. After you read this poem by the former U.S. And sometimes there are things that seem to point in very different directions as a result of whats been eliminated. Smith assembles a collage of bad news, omitting punctuation to create a sense of anxious acceleration: dust vented from factory chimneys settled well-beyond the property lineentered the water tableconcentration in drinking water 3x international safety limitstudy of workers linked exposure with prostate cancerworth $1 billion in annual profit. Tracy K. Smith, "Declaration" from Wade in the Water. You can read some of her poems on our website. In Black life, humor helps make the unbearable bearable. This is so brilliant, this is such a clear idea. Or, generally, have some personae in your work been more challenging to access than others?SMITH: Sometimes, as in the case ofThe United States Welcomes You,a persona is a last resort. Youve talked a bit about Wade in the Waters genesis, but more broadly, how early on do you typically begin to sense a manuscripts overarching themes? For a long time I didnt know what to do with my interest in the Nathaniel Rich article that informs Watershed. Then, after most of the manuscript was finished, I had the idea of marrying the facts from that article, in a found poem, with the narratives of near-death-experience (NDE) survivorspeople whose vocabularies almost across the board invoke the sense of Love as an original animating force, as the logic of the universe. I spent about 2 hours going through this list of poets trying to find someone that I could just understand and was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon Tracy. The author is efficient in pointing out that the men that once wrote and fought for equality, were the same to enforce and bring upon laws that oppressed But the poet respectfully appropriates them, placing each within her linguistic universe, where things like line breaks and image patterns matter, and as such the erasure is partly undone. If I read a poem about my father, sometimes if the poem is doing its work, you might begin to think about your relationship with your father, even if it might be different from what my poem says. Race is one of the chief subjects of Wade in the Water, a site wherein my wish to contemplate the elusive nature of compassion gets played out. She lives with her husband in Chicago. I found two books that really had a powerful impact upon me: Voices of Emancipation: Understanding Slavery, the Civil War, and Reconstruction through the U.S. Pension Bureau Files, edited by Elizabeth A. Regosin and Donald R. Shaffer; and Families and Freedom: A Documentary History of African-American Kinship in the Civil War Era, edited by Ira Berlin and Leslie S. Rowland. Whats going on there? Curtis Fox: So please give that a read if you would. [1] The term queasy questions comes from John Self, the narrator of Martin Amiss novel Money (1984). A tea they refused to carry. Perhaps stepping into that subject matter imparted a courageor simply a vocabulary and an awarenessthat hasnt vanished. When she writes about love and desire, they are vehicles for the philosophical examination of humanity, of the ways we respond to authority, and more and more they are vehicles for thinking about the plight of the earth. I also thought when this poem first came to me, this is what poetry is for, this is what poetry can do. Its current occupant is Tracy K. Smith, who was named Poet Laureate in 2017. K Smith. I struggle a lot with interpreting metaphorical words often used by poets and underlying meanings behind small phrases. Poetry wasnt really on my radar thenat least nothing contemporarybut I was taking a required composition course, and in the classroom I spotted a poster bearing some lines from a poem. NCTE, Common Core, & National Core Arts Standards. Every small want, every niggling urge. Her writing contests the deeply isolating structures of capitalism by imagining self and nation as a collaborative condition, one that must be endlessly reconstructed and defended in the face of xenophobia, sexual violence, economic ruin, social anomie, and political disintegration. The first trip was to Sante Fe, New Mexico, to the Santa Fe Indian School and some neighboring pueblos, and I realized this is joy. She has also written a memoir,Ordinary Light(2015), which was a finalist for the National Book Award in nonfiction. SMITH: Writing the found poems feels more like writing a poem of my own than anything else. I also advise thesis students who are involved in producing book-length collections of poems. I'd squint into it, or close my eyes And let it slam me in the face The known sun setting On the dawning century. 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